LGB Forney -- Part 2

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After the  1992 "New item brochure"only showed a technical drawing of the LGB Forney to come it took some time for this beautiful loco to actually enter dealer stores. It must have been between the end of 1993 and somewhere in 1994 that she became available to customers.

LGB 20251 - Courtesy of Only Trains

Featuring a smoke generator, fire box light she also sported  - just like the prototype - a water tank cap on top of the water tank. Introductory price was a low US$ 370.00 to 395.00. No LGB Forney after that would cost so little.

Introduced in the 1994 catalog and "New Items brochure", the LGB # 21251 was announced and again not delivered. It took more than a year to show in retail stores. LGB tried to make it an LGBoA "Exclusive" but with an item not ready to be delivered this intend fizzled. This  Forney wasn't even advertised in the European market. Eventually sometime between the end of 1996 and 1997 delivery began.

LGB 21251 - Courtesy of Only Trains

Price was at around US$ 400.00 featuring smoke generator and firebox light.

At the same time as the LGB 21251 was still advertised but not available LGB also started advertising the LGB# 21252 in metallic blue with (digital) sound as part of the "Queen Mary Series". Quoting gbdb.info :" Lehmann Patentwerk (the owners of LGB) created the "Queen Mary Series" to market locomotives and rolling stock that were painted in liveries of standard gauge railroads but where no standard gauge prototype actually existed.

The series name was chosen to commemorate the 1990 LGB Model Railroad Club convention, held aboard the ocean liner Queen Mary at Long Beach, California."

LGB 21252 Queen Mary Series - Courtesy of ebay

Also offered that year was the LGB # 20252, the 'yellow' Lake George and Boulder' Forney with digital sound. First presented in the New Item Flyer for USA in 1995 this Forney reached markets in USA in 1996 and was marked as limited available in 1997.

LGB 20252 - Courtesy of Only Trains

Before the end of the Millenium LGB offered the LGB# 23252 in 1998. The "Columbus" Forney was an extended Forney version 2-4-4 with  pilot wheels in front of the driving wheel set. LGB couldn't get Disney's approval obviously so they couldn't advertise the Forney as the Fred Gurley 2-4-4T converted Disney Forney. That would come in 2004 in the Disney Starter set # 72350. This converted Forney was advertised as the 'Christmas loco' since the "colors would fit" .

LGB 23252 - Courtesy of Only Trains

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LGB Forney

The Forney is a steam engine concepted, patented and built between 1861 and 1864 by Matthias Forney. As a tank engine it carries its water tank on-board instead of in a tender. The wheel arrangement was originally a 0-4-4T with 4 driving wheels followed by a truck with 4 wheels as can be seen in this old photograph

Courtesy of Wikipedia

Typical for the Forney type is the size difference in the 2 pairs of wheels. Many other locos with a 0-4-4 or 4-4-0 arrangement have been called Forneys, albeit incorrectly. They are basically all 4-4-0 American.
Another characteristic is that the second pair of driving wheels have no flange. That ensures that the loco would not derail in any curves: The first wheel set with flange ensures to stay on the rails and the second wheel(set) could then slightly slip sideways on the rail while the bunker/cab  had its own 2 pair of wheels to follow easily.
Lastly, the coal bunker and water tank were placed over the four-wheel truck.

The Forney was used in big numbers in commuter railroads in the burgeoning cities of New York, Boston and Chicago since she was fabulous in small areas, tight curves and ideal in short range usage. The Forney was also used on the narrow gauge railroads of Maine. Here the Forney was soon converted to a 2-4-4 by adding a pony truck which improved her tracking ability.

One such conversion was later done by Disney Railroad, see below

Courtesy of Disneyland Railroad

To rebuilt the Forney LGB wanted to honor Forney's idea of curve manageability. Their solution was to add a peg/gudgeon to the gearbox enabling an pivoting connection to the engine chassis above. Thus the little engine could do a (narrow) curve with the gearbox while the housing would slightly lurch away from the gearbox without derailing the loco.

These Forneys (LGB #s on left, first year of production on right) were built by LGB over the years:

2025	1992
20251	1993
21251	1995
20252	1996
21252	1996
23252	1998
72350	2004
24251	2005
25251	2005
26251	2006
27251	2006
28251	2006
70120	2006

The first LGB Forney was announced in the 1992 "New Items" brochure just with a photo of the old prototype Forney #22 by Sandy River & Rangley RR and a technical drawing of the locomotive:

This Forney was originally built by Baldwin Locomotive Works for Eustis Railroad (part of P&R, Maine) in Maine in 1904 as a 0-4-4T original Forney Steam Loco. It was one of the largest and heaviest Forneys on the Maine narrow gauge RR's and was so heavy that it literally destroyed the 35 pound steel rails of the Eustis RR but the RR only needed them to carry logs to the Berlin saw mill which was close by. The mill closed in 1908. This Forney was No.9 at Eustis RR. When the decline of the saw mill industry closed several small RR's The Sandy River and Rangeley Lakes RR bought out and / or got receivership of among others the Eustis RR and their locomotives. They renamed the Forney S.R. & R.L. No. 22. She was scrapped in 1935.

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EMD F 7 -- Conclusion

Even though it was presented in the 2001 flyer "NEW ITEMS" and was supposed to be an LGBoA exclusive, the LGB F7 # 26570, # 26582, the Great Northern, and # 26574 and # 26584, the blue/yellow Santa Fe, didn't make their entrance to the dealer's store or customer's home until 2005.
By then it had been marked as eXtra -item. The eXtra- series/ marketing scheme was an ill-advised idea by Rolf Richter. Big dealers were forced to invest a significant amount of money into some obscure computer ordering scheme with elaborate decorative shelving builds at their store only to find out that the customer could just as well order the same eXtra items from home or directly via the internet either from LGBoA SanDiego or LGB Nuremberg.
Even though the internet was still young, dealers were not happy! Neither in Germany nor in USA. What was sold to them as "this will bring customers into your store"  turned into simple phone order business or less. Shadows of the looming end were casting their spell.....

Here are the ominous LGBoA/ eXtra F7s

LGB 26570 - Courtesy of Only Trains

LGB 26582 - Courtesy of Only Trains

and  the Blue / Yellow Santa Fe set

Courtesy of grossbahnen.shop

The same fate befell the LGB # 28570 and # 28582, the New Haven. Fun Fact: This F7 was in real life actually an EMD FL9. General Motors built 60 units of this dual motor electric-diesel locomotive for the New York, New Haven and Hartford between 1956 and 1960. How many F7's LGB produced of this type is unknown but an educated guess might put the number between 700 and 800 or less.

Courtesy of Champex-Linden

Courtesy of Champex-Linden

It is difficult to say whether the SP Daylight, the blue/yellow Santa Fe or the LGB 29570 Coca-Cola F7 set was the last F7 to be manufactured by the old LGB. In the 2002 LGBoA catalog/brochure they were all shown. What was actually delivered before 2005 remains unknown.

Courtesy of worthpoint.com

 The Coca-Cola set had a limited edition of 500. Price was approx. US$ 1,500.00

LGB 29570 set - Courtesy of Only Trains.

Since its inauguration in 1996 until 2002/2005 LGB had made 30 A and B versions or 15 "sets" of the F7. Since the Simba-Dickie Group took over LGB and Maerklin in 2009 more versions came onto the market; the latest as of 2019 being the Napa Valley Wine Train F7 A unit. The real EMD F7 was a remarkable engine forming an era of train travel and freight in the United States for decades.

To all LGB engineers and operators: Please check your engines for proper operation before Thanksgiving! Call Klaus with any needs. THANKS!

EMD F 7 at LGB -- Part 4

The year 2000 brought the famous Y2K bug hysteria but as soon as 2 days had passed into the new year it became clear -- all was well. LGB had survived the "calamity" as well. They had issued another big catalog and had also produced some LGBoA Specials.

After the release of the # 25570 , the F7 A unit of the PENNSYLVANIA Railroad the previous year, now they released the B unit, the # 25582 with digital sound, no motor. The price was still DM 899.00 or US$ 530.00.

#25582 - Courtesy of Trainz.com

Also released was the F7 B unit Southern Pacific # 24582, no motor, no sound.

Courtesy of BigTrainWorld, Netherlands

As LGBoA Special the American customer could purchase the LGB # 27570 and # 27582 F7 Canadian Pacific. The B unit had digital sound, no motor.

LGB 27570- Courtesy of Only Trains

LGB 27582 - Courtesy of Only Trains

LGB# 70657 Courtesy of Trainz.com

A special delight was the LGBoA Exclusive LGB# 70657. Delivered in a silver colored trunk with foam protection inside, featuring cutouts for the A and B unit and in a second layer below for the three passenger cars. With an edition volume of 1,000 the train set came with a price of about US$ 1,500.00

# 70657 F 7 A and B unit in foam-Courtesy of Trainz.com

And since we're talking treats here is another one for you,  esteemed reader: The ESU sound decoder (with the driving decoder integrated) in operation in a F7 SP. This is the ESU 4.0 which is already outstanding in performance. The slow driving operation is so perfectly smooth and slow -- and boring(!) that  for about 5 years this video clip was the least watched on Youtube! Not anymore... By now, ESU 5.0 is here and even better and Klaus currently works on a project to enhance the very same F 7 SP to a complete different level of sound and driving operation. He will keep you posted.  Klaus loves ESU decoders and their fantastic driving and sound characteristics. Watch for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxQg1gTbk8U


In 2001 LGB published a new full catalog and a flurry of brochures among them the 120 Years Anniversary brochure and the introduction booklet into the MTS system, the digital control operation that allowed the individual operation of 8 locos at the same time. Such a usual standard these days that it sounds weird explaining it.
The 120 Years Anniversary related to the original Lehmann Toy Works, established in 1881.
The new catalog announced " more than 90 new products", all of which were shown in the 4-page LGBoA flyer. Among them the

LGB F 7 # 22578 and 22588 -- See Through units A and B
LGB F 7 # 26570 and 26582 -- Great Northern
LGB F 7 # 28570 and 28582 -- New Haven RR

The See Through F 7 had its followers and dis-likers from the start. Klaus Baumann is known to have advised his dealers on the See Through with: " That's a model which you can paint yourself..." The American market was quite fond of her since she delivered something truly American, colored tiny LED lights inside both units lighting up upon operation. The A unit was also available in a digital version (#22578.08). Edition volume for the A unit was 700 and 500 for the B unit (no motor, but sound). A very small number compared to other so-called collector's editions that would easily go up to 2,500 or at least 1,000.

LGB 22578- Courtesy of Trainz.com

LGB 22588 - Courtesy of Trainz.com

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EMD F 7 at LGB --- Part 3

1999 was about to  become an exceptional year for LGB. LGB introduced digital operation to its customers. The computer and its technology had started to impact everything and the internet was already in its infant shoes. So LGB tried desperately to get a foot in the door. The introduction was a bit clumsy with its new MTS system. BUT (!) your Famous Klaus had quite an impact on this occasion. LGB got stuck in the design of the new remote control. So they contacted Klaus who then single-handedly designed and created the body of the prototype of the # 55015 and # 55016 remote control! On his computer and on his ISEL 3-D lathe.

Klaus designed and created the prototype of the LGB remote control (left)

LGB did not print a full catalog in 1999 so the new items were presented in a 20-page brochure titled " 1999 New Items 1999 LGB(logo)". The new operating system was introduced on page 17 (!) and was called "LGB Universal Power" - GoodGrief- who knows why... 

Anyway - the brochure front page displayed 4 locos with the focus on the RhB Bernina (22420) and the F 7 Southern Pacific # 24570 already with the B unit in tow but not offered yet. That would happen a year later.  Also shown but at the top end of the front page and cut off half by the headline, the F 7 PRR # 25570. Both locos then are presented on page 7 in orderly detail.

# 24570 Courtesy of Only Trains

The paint scheme on this Southern Pacific was called the "Black Widow" and was introduced by SP in the 1940's on their freight F 3/ F 7s. It then was used on other Diesel locos as well like the SP Diesel Switcher units. Southern Pacific later dismissed the Black-Widow paint scheme as unwanted and started new paint schemes in 1958.

# 25570 Courtesy of  Only Trains.

Also  presented as new items were 3 passenger cars for the Union Pacific F 7 from the last year, cars # 31580, # 31590 and # 31570, the LGB # 30590 Santa Fe observation car for the F 7 Santa Fe passenger train. And the LGB # 40790 Santa Fe caboose car even though the F 7 was edited as a passenger engine ( 2 head lights on the loco)

LGB 31570  Courtesy of Only Trains

LGB 31580 Courtesy of Only Trains

LGB 31590 Courtesy of Only Trains

To keep things muddled, LGB also offered three passenger cars for the F 7 PRR which was edited as a freight train (1 headlight).  The cars were # 32570, # 32580 and # 32590. Nonetheless it made a beautiful train.

LGB # 32570 Courtesy of Only Trains

LGB # 32580 Courtesy of Only Trains

LGB # 32590 Courtesy of Only Trains

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EMD F 7 at LGB --- Part 2

The EMD F 7 was/is a standard gauge locomotive. As such it wasn't the perfect fit for another LGB loco family member. The F7 is a heavy engine with all the characteristics of  standard gauge long-haul heavy machinery. The wide body, the booster engine to be added to the A type, the ABA versions for  trains with 150 freight cars or more. Made for long range hauling, cross country freight and any type of consists if need be. None of that is anything remotely close to what characterizes narrow gauge.  Nothing could be more removed from the little cozy, chuffing-puffing Stainz. The little engine that made LGB in the first place.

But here she came. In 1996 to be offered on the LGB Gauge II rails with their 1:22.5 scale. Fit to match the real world width of narrow gauge track of 600 mm (= 1ft 11 5/8 inch) to 1,067 mm (=3 ft 6 in) and the corresponding locos. Standard gauge tracks have a width of 1,435 mm (= 4 ft 8 1/2 in) with some Railroad lines going up to  1,588 mm (broad gauge) (= 5 ft 2 1/2 in) like the Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania RR - by the way- had a total of 299 F 7 A and B units built for them.

The first F 7 LGB offered to the ever-expecting-more-new-items crowd was the 20570 Santa Fe A unit and the LGB # 21576 NYC F 7 A unit.

Courtesy of Only Trains

Courtesy of Only Trains

Shown above is actually the #21576, the US specialty series. Since catalog and brochure pictures only show the hand model with the number "329" which was then also used on the US specialty series - it is hard to tell what number the European version of the 20570 had. YT has seen the number "311" on a Santa Fe F 7 as well as the number "300". The only thing safe to say is that the F 7 B unit was not offered until 1997. Price wise , the F 7 unit was first offered for DM 900.00 and US$ 550.00. Fun fact: even the LGBoA price lists for dealers listed the # 21576 as the # 20570.

1997 saw the B units being offered for the Santa Fe  LGB # 20582, for the NYC the LGB # 21582 and a sound unit F7 B # 21586 for the Santa Fe line.

LGB 20582 Courtesy of Only Trains

LGB 21586 Courtesy of Only Trains

LGB 21582 Courtesy of Only Trains

The B units came without motors. It came with an installed loudspeaker  controlled by the soundboard in the A unit to simulate a separate Diesel engine in the B unit. Basically there was no need for additional motors in the B unit as it was pulled by the leading A unit. So to keep the price down LGB decided not to install motors in the B unit. Resourceful people  always could retrofit with motors. However to have a realistic sound  smart retrofitters would utilize two separate sound units.

The sound unit LGB # 21586 started out as a special edition for a US-dealer and had an initial volume of 57. YT does not know if that held true in later years.

In 1998 the Union Pacific version was added to the F 7 series. This time the A and B unit was offered at the same time. The 1998 catalog also displayed the previously offered F 7 units Santa Fe and NYC. This time they introduced the A-B-A versions - a realistic loco consist. Even though - in real life - precisely the Union Pacific RR ordered A-B-B and A-B-B-A F unit sets for freight service. All in all 18 A units and 36(!) B Units (see http://utahrails.net/articles/up-f-units.php for detailed information). Here are the LGB Union Pacific versions

LGB 23570 Courtesy of Only Trains

LGB 23582 Courtesy of Only Trains

Price wise the F7 A and B units stayed at the same level as their initial price scheme was.

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