LGB Alco Diesel White Pass -- Conclusion

1998 marked the 30 year anniversary for LGB. Lehman had opened its business gates for the Lehmann Garten Bahn (Lehmann G-Scale) in 1968 with the Stainz engine # 2010 (for details look into our LGB Yarner blog from June 27, 2013 at http://lgbyarner.blogspot.com/2013/06/ about the very beginnings of LGB ) and 30 years later was the leading expert and manufacturer in all things G-Scale in model trains.
 A good reason to celebrate. 13 different catalogs and brochures were published by LGB in 1998 either differing in language, type or subject. Again, special focus was put on the offer for the American market with a slew of  freight cars, a few engines - some of them hidden within the freight car offers - maybe it was Easter and the egg hunt was on.....Enough already...
Here are the important news: Another White Pass loco was offered, exclusively for the US LGB customer:  The #22552 together with identical Alco Diesel engines in Canadian-Pacific coloring, LGB # 23552 and a "Christmas" Alco Diesel (which according to LGB's own lingo would be a "Queen Mary"- type coloring), the LGB # 24552. All three engines were limited editions.

LGB # 22552
from the 1998 LGB brochure "Exclusively for America"

Above is the engine as advertised in the 1998 LGB brochure celebrating the 30th anniversary "Exclusively for America". However, the engine the customer would receive upon ordering was this one:

LGB 22552 - Courtesy of Only Trains

This one truly was a limited edition with only 450 manufactured, it came with the newly digital sound, recorded by Klaus in Skagway/AK and a 'proper' price tag of approx. US$ 895.00.

The CP engine in red had an even smaller edition volume of only 400!!

LGB # 23552 -- 1998 LGB brochure 'Exclusively for America"

One just came onto the market this January at Trainz.com auction site and was auctioned off for US$ 623.00. A very good price for the buyer!! It also came with digital sound. And still another is currently (Jan 23,2020) on offer on ebay for US$ 1,000.00...

The edition volume of the LGB # 24552 was also just 400. 

LGB # 24552 - LGB brochure 1998 "Exclusively for America"

One LGB 24552 is currently (Jan 23, 2020) on offer on bonanza.com for - low and behold - US$ 1,899.99.......

It wasn't until 2002 that another version entered the LGB series, the LGB # 25552, also with digital sound.

LGB 25552 - Courtesy of worthpoint.com

If you're scratching your ear right now wondering if Yours Truly had mixed up the photos today... no my dearest reader friend. It is exactly what it looks like, the green anniversary engine from 1998. And here is the real question; did delivery of the anniversary loco took so long that not only the edition volume of previously 450 was well meant but never came to fruition. Order numbers might have steamrolled that intention. Or were times getting gritty on Rolf Richter by now the one in charge at the LGB helm; big order and production numbers of allegedly new locos would make a fine cosmetic fit for the banks and new credit lines...That is all in the past now.

2005 saw the last Alco Diesel offer, the LGB# 26552

LGB 26552 - Courtesy of worthpoint.com

This Cocal Cola Alco Diesel loco was NOT advertised (exclusively) in the USA. The American customer had the same chance as the European or German customer to order and receive one of the 500 engines that were available from this limited edition. One such engine is currently available on bonanza.com for US$ 1,499.99, another on trainz.com - a trusted dealer north of Atlanta (YT knows very well) is for sale for $ 1,485.11 + shipping on ebay (as of Jan 24).

LGB Alco Diesel White Pass -- Part 4

In 1995 LGB published their annual new items brochure. That year the title was "1995 News".  The front page promised 70 new items that year and on page 7 the LGB # 72850 and the LGB # 72855 were introduced.

clip from LGB "1995 NEWS"

This set included the original 2055 Alco Diesel White Pass engine, no sound, no frills and the then newly manufactured caboose LGB# 44710. This caboose was only sold in this set with the WP engine and it was only available to US customers.

LGB# 44710 - Courtesy of reynaulds.com

 Deriving from the edition volume of the caboose the set had a volume of 1,500 and was sold for approx. US$ 500.00. It came in a specialty carton:

Set box for LGB 72850- Courtesy of Only Trains

This #72850 set was reintroduced by LGB for -again- LGBoA only as the # 72550 Super set (which did not include track or power pack). As usual, advertising an engine, train or train set was way easier than actually manufacture and then deliver it to dealer stores or LGBoA...
It seems that the set didn't make it through the times. The market today shows either the engine or the caboose offered by itself.

The second White Pass set advertised was the LGB# 72855

This set came with three 'White Pass' freight cars, the # 40850

LGB 4085(0) - Courtesy of ebay/trainz.com

The 4085 was on the market since 1991 and was simply added to this set.

The # 4080-W01 was around since 1990 at least in catalogs and brochures. Delivery to dealers seemed not to have started until 1993. It was sold as 'limited' edition with an edition volume of 3,000. And in 1995/96 Wolfgang Richter himself sold it as '1995 NEWS' to LGBoA with the words:" We want to be the class leader in G-Scale for years to come. So we can't stand still..Our customers ask for more each year and we are working day and night to give them what they want". 

LGB 4080 W01- courtesy of trainz.com

the # 4086

LGB 4086(0)- courtesy of ebay

When Klaus was recording the sounds for the digital sound decoder for the White Pass the President of the WP&Y RR handed Klaus technical information about the original ore container car. Gunter Ruhland was already desperately waiting for that information so he could finalize the molds on this new model. So, with this almost 'blank' WP container car you actually have a 'true' White Pass container car model on your tracks.

And last but not least the # 40710

LGB 40710 - Courtesy of zeppy.io

Manufacturing started in 1991, first catalog appearance was in the 1993/94 catalog.

As with the 72550 this set seemed to have been unable to make it through the years as a set.

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LGB Alco Diesel White Pass -- Part 3

After the success of the first Alco Diesel White Pass # 2055 LGB wanted to continue that route. The # 2055 had no sound or any other 'lively' features. LGB had put analog sound in two other Diesel locos already, the #2051, the LGB Ruegen or BR 251, a German Diesel loco from the island of Ruegen and the # 2096, the Austrian OBB in beige and red. To have an American Diesel loco with sound would be a first.

As it turned out it was going to be the first ever digital sound in an LGB loco. And your Famous Klaus would be the one to record it. Here is how: 

Wolfgang Richter had been in Alaska and had recorded White Pass sound in the roundhouse in Skagway. But it turned out not to be usable at all. This is what Mr. Massoth Sr. told Klaus when they met at the booth/stand of LGB at the 1991 International Toy Fair in Nuremberg. Klaus was listening carefully. Klaus had since established a very tight and well working relationship with LGB and Mr. Massoth Sr. and knew how to do it right. Right then and there he went to talk to Wolfgang Richter and suggested he himself would fly to Alaska and do the sound recordings. This time versions that could be utilized.

In April of 1991 Klaus flew via Toronto and Seattle to Juneau. From there a single-engine airplane (Skagway Airways) took him to Skagway, AK. The then president of the White Pass Railway, Paul Taylor, was already expecting him and welcomed Klaus to the WP&Y RR.

Klaus operated a brand new, latest technology digital Sony tape recorder as well as a state of the art SONY video camera. The recordings were made with the 90 series loco because she has the same engine as the 100' series and it was the only engine operable and not winterized at the WP&Y RR. The season would only start in May and the 100 series was still in winter storage.

The 93 of the WP&Y RR

Klaus spent 2 days recording with Mr. Taylor, the engineer Mr. Hunt and a workshop mechanic present. You can tell it was of great fun for Klaus since he remembers all the tiny details as if it happened yesterday. The 93 back then was painted in blue.
Klaus stayed at the Golden North Hotel

Golden North Hotel,Skagway -- Courtesy of the National Park Service

A national treasure today, the hotel was built as a trading store in 1898 and became a hotel in 1908. It functioned as a hotel until 2002 when it was turned into a museum with parts rented to a tourist company. It was rumored to have ghosts appearances. Klaus however remembers best the shower stall in his room that featured steel walls.....

Back in Germany Klaus found out that the engine sound recordings worked very well but the whistle sound revealed an echo. The whistle sound though Wolfgang Richter had recorded was fine. And so the sound engineers went to work and created the first ever digital LGB sound. It was a big step for LGB to go into the digital age and it seemed even more fitting to do so with an American loco.

LGB 21552 with first ever digital sound for an LGB loco -
photo courtesy of Only Trains

The LGB 21552 was revealed in the 1993/1994 catalog for all LGB customers worldwide. A new age was dawning not only in sound technology but soon also in driving technology and in decoder technology that would open up a new world of operating model trains.

The price for the first digital sound engine was a whopping DM 1,490.00 or about US$ 650.00 which would translate into about US$ 1,200.00 today.

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LGB Alco Diesel White Pass --- Part 2

The White Pass and Yukon Alco Diesel was the first American Diesel engine for LGB and only the second American loco (after the Mogul) to be offered. First presented (as hand model?) in the New Item brochure of 1989 and then again in the 1990 catalog it entered the market via dealer stores more towards 1991.

LGB 2055 - Courtesy of Only Train

The first 2055 featured 2 Buehler motors, loco lights, signal lights and lighted loco number plates as well as a cow catcher/rail sweeper. The introductory price was around US$ 450.00
After a long introduction without real merchandise to show in dealer stores LGB upped the ante by offering three limited edition cars along with the White Pass engine introduction in their 1990/91 brochure. The offer was made to US customers only: The LGB # 4065 W 03:

LGB 4065 W 03 - Courtesy of Only Trains

This White Pass caboose had a limited edition volume of 2,800 and was priced at around US$ 100.00

LGB 4076 W 02 -- Courtesy of Worthpoint

This black/red self unloader with a 4 axle truck was a limited edition as well at 3,000 and also limited to the American customer. And the 3rd car on offer with the new LGB 2055 engine was the LGB 4080 W 01

LGB 4080 W01-- Courtesy of Worthpoint

Again, this was also a limited edition of 3,000 and sold at about US$ 75.00 in 1990. All 3 cars were sold separately. The limited series for American customers only was soon discovered by German die-hard LGB fans. The club magazines by German LGB clubs (i.e. NOT the  LGB owned club magazine "Telegram") were humming with news about the new LGB 2055 engine and these new freight cars. 'Re-import' was the name most often used by German LGB fans with a knack for US wares. Savings on the very high German VAT (value-added- tax) would level the costs for shipping. There was a whole bunch of US LGB dealers in and around Ohio, Pennsylvania and New Jersey who benefited from that interest.

The 2055 eventually got sound and was launched in 1993 as the LGB 2155 (LGB 21552 since late 1993)

LGB 2155/21552 - Courtesy of LGB-bibliothek.info

This was the first digital sound in ANY LGB engine. Klaus himself did the sound recordings. He was travelling to Alaska............... Let's start at the beginning of this truly amazing LGB story in part 3 of this blog................+++++++++++++++++++to be continued.........

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LGB Alco Diesel White Pass

The White Pass and Yukon Railroad is a legendary narrow gauge RR with a literally fantastic history finding its beginnings with the Klondike gold rush. The story of the building of the railroad is superbly described on this website https://wpyr.com/history/. It is worth to read at least a little bit into it.

After a long history of steam locos on the White Pass and Yukon RR times required to find an 'ersatz' to steam locos no longer built by manufacturers. Benoit Poulin put it best on his website  http://drgw.free.fr/WP&YR/Engines/Diesel/Diesel_en.htm, quoted here:

"In 1969, to face the fast growing traffic (especially ore shipping), the White Pass & Yukon seeked again to increase its diesel roster. This time, the railroad turned to Alco (American Locomotive Company), precisely to its Canadian subsidiary Montréal Locomotive Works (MLW). The locomotive manufacturer proposed its DL535E model, a 1200hp 6-axle diesel-electric engine, with narrow hoods and a single cab. These locomotives were related to the classical Alco RS (road switcher) and were equipped with a new and more powerful version of the same Alco prime mover used on the WP&YR GE class 90.

Courtesy of Benoit Poulin

    Seven of these engines (#101 to 107) were delivered by MLW to the White Pass & Yukon in 1969. Unfortunately two of them were almost immediately destroyed by the terrible fire of the Skagway roundhouse. That incident prompted the railroad to order three more locomotives. These three engines (#108 to 110) were delivered in 1971 again by Montréal Locomotive Works (despite the demise of its parent company Alco in 1969). The eight surviving engines were used by the WP&YR until the abrupt end of its operations in 1982. Later in 1988, the railroad re-opened in summer only as a tourist railroad, but the GE diesels were found to be sufficient to run the trains, so the first five Alco of the class were sold to a Colombian narrow gauge railroad, the Societad Colombiana de Transporte Ferroviario (STF).

Courtesy of Benoit Poulin

Yet in 1999, because of high tourist demand, the White Pass & Yukon wished to retrieve its five engines exiled in Colombia and bought them back from STF. Four of the ex-Colombian Alco have been put back into service on the WP&YR, the fifth one is still undergoing restoration."- Quote end.

In the mid 1980's LGB had landed a huge success with the Mogul. Now it was the late 1980's. With an American audience growing crazier and more enamored with LGB almost daily more loco stock was needed desperately. The White Pass and Yukon Alco Diesel was the perfect fit.  American to the core with a sister engine easy to copy (#2056 Alco Diesel) they got ' two birds with one stone'. The LGB # 2055 hit the catalog first in 1990 followed by these variations: (LGB # on left, year on right)

2055 1989
2155 s 1991
21552 1991
72855 1995
72550 1996
72855 1996
22552 1998
23552 1998
24552 1998
25552 2002
26552 2005

The White Pass and Yukon Alco Diesel was the first American Diesel engine for LGB and only the second American loco (after the Mogul) to be offered. First presented (as hand model?) in the New Item brochure of 1989 and then again in the 1990 catalog it entered the market via dealer stores more towards 1991.

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LGB Forney -- Conclusion

Note from Klaus: Have your grand-kids or any family member/ loved one announcing your Christmas Train and wishing you all a Merry Christmas! The ESU 4.0 and 5.0 sound decoders can be programmed and re-programmed (!) with ANY recording/sound file you like!!

Call Klaus for repairs, motor exchange  now!


Eventually Rolf Richter and others managed to get Disney's approval. It took 5 years. To be fair those were years of struggle or die for LGB. The Disney logo on any type of LGB train - so the Richter's hoped - would generate the much needed sales volume to prove to banks that they were viable for another line of credit or any expansion thereof. Money was tight to say the least. So eventually, they could manufacture the Disney Forney and went for a set. The LGB # 72350:

LGB # 72350 - Courtesy of trainz.com

Here  is a closer look at the loco

Courtesy of trainz.com

The loco in the picture is missing the gold crown on top of the smoke stack and the top of the sand dome which is shown on the starter set box. In 2004 LGB offered the set in Europe and in the USA. That makes it plausible that more than 400 sets were produced. YT tried to find price levels at time of market introduction but only managed to find a purchase price mentioned in a sales offer in 2008; that was US$ 1,000.00.
This set was advertised in its own catalog/brochure together with the Chloe train set, the Disney Mogul and - a first and last- the LGB/Disney game board train set # 92313.

In 2005 LGB continued their Forney offerings with the LGB # 24251, the Wild West Forney:

LGB # 24251 - Courtesy of Only Trains

Shown first in the LGB Fall Special 2005 it made it to the dealer stores in 2006. Price was approx US$ 590.00

Also shown in the Fall Special flyer was the Forney LGB #25251

LGB 25251 - Courtesy of Ebay

At the time of writing this blog episode this all black Forney was offered on Ebay out of Saratoga Springs/UTAH for  US$ 520.00. Used.

In 2006 LGB tried whatever they could before the hammer came down on them. The Forney wasn't left out. Four models were introduced; the LGB # 26251, LGB # 27251, LGB # 28251 and another set LGB # 70120. 19 (!) different brochures, catalogs, flyers and leaflets were published.

LGB 26251 - Courtesy of Worthpoint

This # 26251 Santa Fe # 23 was another conversion 2-4-4T Forney. No wonder, after they had the molds already. This was easy to re-produce and paint differently. Nonetheless a nice Forney!

As was the LGB# 27251 Colorado and Southern.

LGB 27251 - Courtesy of Worthpoint

And the Coca-Cola Forney # 28251. This was a true 0-4-4 in Coca-Cola coloring. When and if it was still delivered to dealers in 2006 is possible but not clear. LGBoA was to go into liquidation but it was also known that quite a bit of merchandise was set aside by those in-the-know. As of time of publication of this blog this 28251 is still or again available on the market for anywhere from $350 to $720.00

LGB 28251 - Courtesy of Worthpoint.com

The starter set 70120 or in USA 72120 (for 120V operation) experienced the same fate.

LGB 82120 - Courtesy of Only Trains

It pops up currently as well with prices ranging from US$ 590.00 to $ 750.00. Originally probably priced at US$ 829.00. The PRR loco is also a 0-4-4 in dark green and a dark silver smoke chamber. The cabin roof is red.

The Forney type was one of the first locos to be re-issued by the new owner of LGB, Simba-Dickie. A good and a wise choice. Even though it was a 2-4-4T the # 26253 would ring in a new era for the consummate LGB collector and the general LGB fan as well!